tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4567168789336947243.post700730959213184215..comments2024-02-25T09:45:48.931-05:00Comments on Lally's Alley: THREE QUICK THOUGHTS/DO THEY MEAN ANYTHING?Lallyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05310472614196384595noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4567168789336947243.post-2748431405253116992009-04-22T15:08:00.000-04:002009-04-22T15:08:00.000-04:00Woops. Good point kid.Woops. Good point kid.Lallyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05310472614196384595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4567168789336947243.post-89980934896789197812009-04-22T10:42:00.000-04:002009-04-22T10:42:00.000-04:00Uh, gentlemen, have none of you considered that it...Uh, gentlemen, have none of you considered that it had more to do with the relaxation of the rules of behavior for girls and women in our society? Starting with 'Ol Blue Eyes' generation, it was increasingly okay for women to publicly display their lust.The Kidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4567168789336947243.post-71031725057861182952009-04-21T14:30:00.000-04:002009-04-21T14:30:00.000-04:00You nailed it Toby. Definitely had a lot to do wit...You nailed it Toby. Definitely had a lot to do with that change from "theater" to TV experience.Lallyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05310472614196384595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4567168789336947243.post-80395587962755537812009-04-21T12:29:00.000-04:002009-04-21T12:29:00.000-04:00Technology is the key, particularly television. E...Technology is the key, particularly television. Ed Sullivan's and Tommy Dorsey's audiences screamed at Elvis intermittantly, because the medium was new and there was respect for the "theater" experience. By 1964 and the Beatles, the culture had become so television-ized that respect for the theater and one's fellow audience members was gone. So one did whatever one would do at home. Same thing goes for movies today, where people talk, eat, belch, break wind, etc.--as if they were home. And at the theater, wear Bermuda shorts and eat box lunches. Television at home has created the mass illusion of privacy in public, where manners don't count. Ditto for cell phones. And automobiles, where the world picks its nose.Tobynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4567168789336947243.post-63154113106190895402009-04-21T09:54:00.000-04:002009-04-21T09:54:00.000-04:00With Sinatra and to some extent with Elvis, I susp...With Sinatra and to some extent with Elvis, I suspect that their own promotional people had something to do with screaming girls. "Fan" is a shortened form of "fanatic", and there is an industry devoted to making rational people into obsessed screaming lunatics.<br />With the Beatles, I think the female fans were socialized to behave that way by the behavior of the Elvis fans.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12264890951105593726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4567168789336947243.post-37035379375072611052009-04-21T09:10:00.000-04:002009-04-21T09:10:00.000-04:00Another valid point. Feminization, technology, and...Another valid point. Feminization, technology, and cultural transformation from Appollonian to Dionysian (I know I spelled those wrong but you get the idea).Lallyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05310472614196384595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4567168789336947243.post-55735594965941200472009-04-21T02:52:00.000-04:002009-04-21T02:52:00.000-04:00It might also have something to do with the rise o...It might also have something to do with the rise of recorded music. As it became more accessible at home, it became less important to hear it each and every note in person. Consequently, the live performance evolved into something more immediate, something that could not be had from the recording itself.<br /><br />In other words, technology strikes again.-K-https://www.blogger.com/profile/03289562368002376807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4567168789336947243.post-81261319310533068922009-04-20T22:57:00.000-04:002009-04-20T22:57:00.000-04:00Doug, That's one perspective that's actually been ...Doug, That's one perspective that's actually been touted by some historians. The aspect I'm interested in is that somehow the connection to the actual music diminished and to the physicality, not just presence, but actual being of the singers became paramount. I love the music of all these guys, but was initially put off by the reality of their audiences being mostly young girls (my older sisters in Frankie's case, my contemporaries in Elvis's and the teenyboppers emerging in the wake of my generation in the third. I didn't want to be identified as "feminized" but I couldn't resist the originality of the musical performances, the innovation and influence, as well as the uniqueness of their individual interpretations of the popular traditions. Plus the transformation of popular culture into something transmitted to something something received to something experienced almost despite the actual artistry. Anyway, something like that.Lallyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05310472614196384595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4567168789336947243.post-16400680753557018622009-04-20T21:26:00.000-04:002009-04-20T21:26:00.000-04:00Michael, I believe that what your thoughts mean is...Michael, I believe that what your thoughts mean is that Frank and Elvis and The Beatles were all part of a process of feminization in our culture, and that teenage girls caught on to this right away at every stage.douglanghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00045305196252862765noreply@blogger.com