Monday, August 31, 2009


If Cheney, and those who he's the spokesman for these days,
are justified in their belief that torture is necessary to save lives,
"American" lives that is,
then it follows that he and George W. Bush,
and others in their administration—
Rumsfield, Wolfowitz, et. al.—
who supported and even demanded an invasion of Iraq
on the basis of information they were aware was false
and in fact based on a plan that was in place even before 9/11,
it's only logical that the CIA and other government agencies
would have been justified in waterboarding and using other illegal torture tactics
on Cheney and George W. Bush et. al.—
in order to save the "American" lives
that have been lost so far in Iraq and continue to be,
more than were lost on 9/11.


JIm said...

"who supported and even demanded an invasion of Iraq
on the basis of information they were aware was false
and in fact based on a plan that was in place even before 9/11,” mlally

Your premise is wrong since Saddam attempted to project to the world, that he in fact he had weapons of mass destruction, in order to survive in the region. He was concerned about an Iranian attack. This was revealed in the 60 Minute interview with FBI agent Piro Recent Democrats who ran for the presidency, Clinton and Kerry voted for war. They were privy to the intelligence which was influenced by Saddam’s attempt to appear to have the weapons.;contentBody

Excerpts:“After his capture, Saddam met every day with one man, an American he knew as "Mr. George." George is FBI agent George Piro, who was the front man for a team of FBI and CIA analysts who were trying to answer some of the great mysteries of recent history. What happened to the weapons of mass destruction? Was Saddam in league with al Qaeda? Why did he choose war with the United States?

The subject of weapons of mass destruction was the most important mystery Piro was trying to answer. It would take him five months to bring up the question.

And he asked me what speeches. And I said, 'Well, funny you should ask. And in June 2000 you gave a speech in where you said Iraq would not disarm until others in the region did. A rifle for a rifle, a stick for a stick, a stone for a stone,'" Piro recalls.

It is n"He told me that most of the WMD had been destroyed by the U.N. inspectors in the '90s. And those that hadn't been destroyed by the inspectors were unilaterally destroyed by Iraq," Piro says.

"So why keep the secret? Why put your nation at risk, why put your own life at risk to maintain this charade?" Pelley asks.

"It was very important for him to project that because that was what kept him, in his mind, in power. That capability kept the Iranians away. It kept them from reinvading Iraq," Piro says.

Before his wars with America, Saddam had fought a ruinous eight year war with Iran and it was Iran he still feared the most.

"He believed that he couldn't survive without the perception that he had weapons of mass destruction?" Pelley asks.”

"Absolutely," Piro says.

Anonymous said...

you ain't going to get anywhere using logic.

harryn said...

good idea michael - and creative capitalism: it could be pay-per-view to help knaw away at the deficit caused by the bush/cheney war - hell, there would probably be money left over to finance an effective government-run veteren disability program ...

JIm said...


Thank you for your empathy. It is a lonely job being a sane Conservative troll who is attempting to use facts and logic on a looney left blog.

harryn said...

let's be fair and balanced -
if you're going to use adjectives to describe the 'left blog' - don't forget to use 'inaccurate' with facts and 'pretzel' with logic ...
peace and love, bro ...

Ed Baker said...

I liked those "smart bombs" that we dropped from 30,000 feet up
that went down an found thos cave openings and the went into the caves an wiped out those "insurgents" in the whitwe sheets!

that was the Afgan war just before the new Iraq
that we just won!

I am very confused as to who the real enemy is..

what did Churchill say? "I have met the enemy
and the enemy is us"

let us pray! or is it prey?