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Can't believe the spin the Republicans are trying to put on the vice presidential debate tonight. As Bill Maher tweeted or Facebooked: "911 there's an old man beating up a child on my TV!"

Biden didn't let Ryan get away with his lies or with his sidestepping the questions. And the moderator, Martha Raddatz, did a great job too, except at the end with those questions about what their religion brings to governing or why they're special. That was more View than vice presidential debate.

But the right has their version of the "truth" that is based on ideology rather than facts, and the left has it's perspective that they think any reasonable person examining the facts would agree with, ignoring the reality of contemporary U.S. politics where there's too many facts for people to keep up with (unless they're news junkies like me and I assume most folks reading this blog) so they go by their feelings and that's how Bush/Cheney got elected (even though those feelings were betrayed by almost everything they did) and it could get Romney/Ryan elected.

Not sure how many people who don't already have their minds set watched this debate anyway. But it was still a great pleasure to see someone smart and experienced and honest and down to earth kick the mindless butt of a goofy looking (Ryan sort of looks like one of the muppets when he does that closed mouth grin, doesn't he?) Ayn Rand rightwing ideologue who despite all attempts by the media and Ryan himself to paint himself as similar to Biden in their Irish Catholic working class background is really a spoiled rich kid whose family owned most of the town he grew up in and still lives in and who, as we all know, was voted "biggest brown noser" in high school.

Gotta love that Joe though. Old guy too. Didn't seem like it tonight, except when he obviously tired toward the end.